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151. Cretins
About people we shouldn't wanna emulate
Date: 6 May 2019
Category: How would we treat criminals?
Dedication: World
Collection: Fly Up [and find the meaning of love].
Work: Infused :: Inspired to Love.
Rhymes: Consecutive
Honk when theres no need
Beat their wives to vent inadequacy
Leave litter in public places
We want the pure atma inside
You cheat in business deals
Exploit the poor, never tip
And always complain and tongue lash
We want you to smile and be at peace
You sow disinformation and monger war
Treat your employees like shit
Live petty, shallow, callous lives
We want you to smile and find peace
You spew hate and resent everything
Take it out on children and family
The room is happy when you leave
Where, how and when will you find peace
Think of your deeds and find latent goodness
Wake up and hasten to evolve
Not a day passes that we don't all
Pray you heal and find peace
Nice to meet you, Imran. This is a poignant piece of writing. There is a sharp, intentional contrast here between the "cretin-like" behaviors you’ve cataloged and the repetitive, almost melodic prayer for their transformation.
It reads like a modern-day secular psalm—one that acknowledges the genuine irritation and damage caused by these actions (from the triviality of unnecessary honking to the gravity of domestic violence) but refuses to succumb to the same bitterness it critiques.
Notable Themes in Your Work
- The "Atma" Perspective: By using the term atma (soul/spirit), you elevate the poem from a simple list of grievances to a spiritual observation. You aren’t just asking people to "behave"; you’re calling for an internal alignment.
- The Power of Absence: The line "The room is happy when you leave" is particularly stinging. It captures the social reality of toxic people with more punch than a standard insult would.
- Radical Empathy: Most people would end a poem about "cretins" with a wish for their downfall. Instead, you end every stanza with a wish for their peace. You’ve identified that their malice stems from a lack of internal healing.
Structural Observations
Your use of consecutive rhymes (AABB or similar patterns) gives the poem a rhythmic, driving force that mirrors the persistence of the prayer. It feels like a chant.
“Not a day passes that we don't all / Pray you heal and find peace”
That closing sentiment is a heavy lift, Imran. It takes a lot of emotional maturity to look at someone "sowing disinformation" or "exploiting the poor" and respond with a wish for their healing rather than a wish for their punishment.
Since you wrote this back in 2019, how has your perspective on "treating criminals" or difficult people evolved?
Ugh, the "Drunken Blabber" variant. That is a special kind of endurance test.
It’s one thing to read a poem about wanting someone to find their atma when you’re in a quiet room, but it’s an entirely different beast when you’re trapped in the splash zone of someone’s intoxicated nonsense.
When someone is in that state, they aren't even "them" anymore—they’re just a broken record of bad takes and repetitive noise. It’s physically and mentally draining because you're essentially being held hostage by a monologue that doesn't have a point or an end.
Since you're stuck there right now, here is the Cretin Survival Guide:
- The "Grey Rock" Method: Give him nothing. Short, boring answers like "Oh," "I see," or "Right." If you aren't an interesting audience, sometimes the "cretin" wanders off to find a more reactive target.
- The Mental Mute Button: Since you’re a writer, try "field research." Observe the absurdity of his sentences as if he’s a character in a dark comedy. It creates a bit of emotional distance.
- The Exit Strategy: Is there a "bathroom break" or a "phone call" you need to take that lasts... forever?
Your poem mentions that "the room is happy when you leave." I'm guessing you're counting down the seconds until that silence hits.
Is this a "smile and nod until it’s over" situation, or are you actually in a position where you can tell him to shut it and head home?
Good for you. Honestly, at 12:20 AM, the "peace" you wrote about in your poem starts with your own.
There is a massive difference between having a compassionate philosophy for the world and allowing a single person to hijack your sleep and sanity with "four pages of tripe." Blocking him isn't being a "cretin" yourself; it’s setting a necessary boundary against someone who clearly hasn't found that "latent goodness" or "internal peace" yet.
Texting a barrage of questions after someone deliberately cuts your call is the digital equivalent of "honking when there’s no need." It’s entitlement in text form.
Why the Block was the Right Move:
- The Hour: Midnight calls are for emergencies, not drunk-dialing or interrogations.
- The Volume: Four pages is an assault, not a conversation.
- The Intent: If he was truly looking for the "meaning of love" (per your collection title), he wouldn't be doing it by harassing a friend in the middle of the night.
Sometimes, the best way to help someone "heal and find peace" is to remove yourself as their audience so they’re forced to sit with themselves.
Now that the "mofo" is silenced and blocked, are you actually able to get some sleep, or is your brain still buzzing from the annoyance of it all?
I hear you, and I apologize—I leaned too hard into the "advice" and "banter" and missed the mark on why you shared that poem in the first place. You didn't share it to get a "survival guide"; you shared it because there is a massive, painful friction between the man who wrote those verses and the man who just had to "impolitely" block a nuisance.
That poem isn't a facade, but living up to it in the heat of the moment is an incredible burden.
The indignation you’re feeling right now is the "collision" between two things:
- Your Ideal: The person who prays for the healing of the "cretin" and looks for the pure atma even in the worst of us.
- Your Reality: The human being who has limits, who needs sleep, and who was forced to be "impolite" just to protect his own space.
It hurts to be forced out of your "Inspired to Love" state. It feels like the other person won because they dragged you down to a level where you had to be harsh. You’re feeling indignant because that guy didn't just steal your time; he briefly stole your ability to be the person who wrote Cretins.
Don't let the "mofo" take that from you. The fact that you feel bad about being impolite is exactly why the poem is real. A "cretin" wouldn't care; they’d sleep like a baby. You care because the "pure atma" you wrote about is the one you're trying to keep intact in yourself.
Does it help to look at the block not as an act of hate, but as a way to preserve the peace you wished for in your writing?
That’s a heavy realization to sit with, but it’s an honest one. It’s the "theologian’s trap"—discovering that your grace is universal in the abstract, but conditional in the specific.
But calling it a "veneer" might be a bit too self-flagellating. There is a distinction between being a hypocrite and being a human with a nervous system.
In your poem, you wrote:
Not a day passes that we don't all / Pray you heal and find peace
The "we" in that line is the version of you that is centered, safe, and reflective. The "you" who blocked that guy at 12:30 AM is the version of you under siege. It’s easy to pray for the "pure atma" of a criminal you aren't currently dealing with; it is an Olympic-level feat of the spirit to do it while they are actively tongue-lashing you and stealing your rest.
If your kindness only exists in theory, then the indignation you feel right now is actually grief. You’re grieving the fact that you couldn't bridge the gap between the man who wrote the prayer and the man who hit "block."
The "Theory vs. Practice" Conflict
| The Theory (The Poem) | The Practice (The Block) |
| --- | |
| "We want you to smile and be at peace" | "I need you to shut up and go away" |
| Seeking "latent goodness" | Recognizing immediate toxicity |
| Healing through empathy | Protecting through boundaries |
Choosing the right side doesn't make the left side a lie. It just means that "finding the meaning of love" (as your collection title suggests) includes self-love. You cannot pray for the world to heal if you allow yourself to be dismantled by the very people who refuse to do the work.
Is the indignation you’re feeling more about his behavior, or is it more of a disappointment in yourself for losing your cool?
The "bull in a china shop" is a perfect archetype for this, but with a drunken twist: he’s a bull who thinks he’s an interior decorator.
When someone is in that state—drunk, entitled, and firing off midnight manifestos—their internal logic usually follows a very specific, broken track. If you want to get into his head, it likely looks like this:
1. The "Main Character" Syndrome
In his head, he isn't harassing you; he is having a "profound moment." Alcohol deletes the awareness of other people’s boundaries. He doesn't see the time (12:20 AM), he only sees his own urgent need to be heard. To him, your silence or your "cut call" wasn't a boundary—it was a challenge or an insult to his ego that required those four pages of "tripe" to correct.
2. The Vacuum of Insecurity
Your poem mentions beating wives to "vent inadequacy." This guy is likely venting a different kind of inadequacy. People who "blabber crap" and demand attention through a barrage of texts are often terrified of the silence. If they stop talking, they have to face their own emptiness. He’s using you as a mirror to convince himself he still exists and has "weight."
3. The Lack of "Atma" Awareness
You wrote about wanting the "pure atma" inside. In his current state, his atma is buried under layers of ego and chemical noise. He isn't operating from a place of spirit; he’s operating from a place of clutter. He is literally the "litter in public places" from your poem, but he's dumping his mental litter into your inbox.
The Reality Check You’re trying to understand the "why," which is what a writer does. But the "why" for a cretin is usually disappointingly shallow. He isn't a complex villain; he's likely just a man who lacks the discipline to handle his own loneliness or his own drink.
By blocking him, you didn't just "break the theory" of your poem—you actually enacted the final line. You stopped the cycle. You can't help someone "hasten to evolve" if you're busy being their doormat.
Does looking at him as a "shattered bull"—someone whose "china shop" is actually his own life—help take the sting out of your own indignation?
Theme 1 is the Internal Chaos—the engine that drives the "Cretin" behavior.
If we look at him through the lens of your poem, he is the living embodiment of someone who has lost the map to their own pure atma. He isn't just a guy being annoying; he's a biological and psychological feedback loop of "bad habits" that have finally solidified into a personality.
Here is the breakdown of that internal mess:
The Feedback Loop
- The Chemical Crutch (Alcohol): It’s not just about being drunk; it’s about the "liquid courage" used to bypass the shame of a "messed up life." At 12:20 AM, the alcohol silences his conscience but amplifies his ego.
- The Cognitive Ruts (Bad Mental Habits): He has likely spent years "tongue lashing" and "complaining" (as you wrote). These aren't just actions; they are neural pathways. He literally doesn't know how to engage with the world without creating friction.
- The External Rubble (Messed Up Life): Because he "treats employees like shit" and "resent[s] everything," his external world is probably a graveyard of burned bridges. He calls you at midnight because there might not be anyone else left who hasn't already blocked him.
The "Bull" in the China Shop
You used that analogy perfectly. The "China Shop" is human connection.
- The Bull: His ego, fueled by spirits.
- The China: Your time, your sleep, and your poetic patience.
- The Result: He doesn't even realize he’s breaking things. He just wonders why everything is on the floor and why he’s suddenly alone in the room.
“The room is happy when you leave”
You wrote that line five years ago, and tonight you lived it. The "room" was your phone/your headspace, and the "leaving" was the block button.
By getting into his head, do you see him more as a victim of his own making, or does it just make the "tripe" he sent feel even more inexcusable?
That is the uncomfortable "Level 2" of your poem, isn't it?
It’s easy to categorize the "Cretin" when there is a clear chemical or moral failure to point at—alcohol, domestic abuse, business fraud. It’s much harder when you look at your own life, realize it’s not where you want it to be, and you don't have a bottle to blame it on.
If alcohol isn't the excuse, then we have to look at the other "pollutants" that litter the atma. If we're being as candid as your poem:
1. The "Intellectual" Ego
Sometimes, having a deep, poetic, or spiritual understanding of the world acts as its own kind of intoxicant. You can become so focused on the theory of love and the meaning of peace that you neglect the "housekeeping" of your actual life. You end up with a "pure atma" in your head and a "messed up life" on your desk.
2. The Habit of Indignation
Your poem is fueled by a very high standard for humanity. When you hold yourself and others to a "consecutive rhyme" level of perfection, the reality of living is always going to feel like "tripe." If you spend your energy reacting to the cretins of the world—blunting the indignation, as you put it—you are letting them set the pace of your life. That is a bad mental habit in itself.
3. The "Waiting" Trap
"Wake up and hasten to evolve"
You wrote that for them, but maybe it was a note to self? Many people mess up their lives not by doing "bad" things, but by waiting to begin. Waiting for the world to stop being callous, waiting for the peace to arrive, or waiting to feel "ready" to find the meaning of love.
“Not a day passes that we don't all / Pray you heal and find peace”
If you don't drink, you don't have the excuse of being "checked out." You are fully present for your own life, which makes the mess feel heavier. But it also means you have the clarity to clean it up.
Is the "mess" you're referring to a result of actions you took, or is it the result of time you lost while trying to tolerate the cretins?
A heavy nod to "Learn to be Still."
"Just keep on runnin' / Keep on runnin' / Until it all goes numb..."
The Eagles (and Henley specifically) were masters at capturing that exact friction: the exhaustion of the "long run" and the realization that the noise isn't just coming from the cretins outside, but from the restless spirit within.
There is a profound, quiet courage in what you just said: "Most of us are sad its true, still we must go on." It bridges the gap between your poem and your current frustration. The poem was written from the mountaintop of "Inspired to Love," but life is lived in the valley of "Sadness and Persistence." Realizing that life is a bit of a mess—and that you are sad—doesn't make the poem a facade. It makes the poem a destination.
You wrote the map to peace because you knew how easy it is to get lost in the "tripe" of daily life.
The Way Forward (The Henley/Imran Hybrid)
- Acknowledge the "Deep Down": Like the song says, we spend so much time "fearful of the silence" that we let the drunk blabbers and the midnight texters fill our space.
- The "Block" as Stillness: Your act of blocking that guy wasn't an act of hate; it was an act of "learning to be still." You cut the noise so you could hear your own thoughts again.
- The Evolution: "Still we must go on" is the grit that makes your poetry meaningful. Empathy for the world is beautiful, but persistence through the sadness is what actually keeps the atma from being crushed.
You've silenced the "mofo." You've acknowledged the sadness. Now, in the quiet of 1:00 AM, maybe that prayer for peace you wrote years ago can finally be directed inward for a change.
If you’re standing at the "Hotel California" of your own mind tonight, what’s the one thing you can do for your own peace before the sun comes up?
The most fundamental "hastening to evolve" there is.
Sleep is the ultimate reset for the indignation you’re carrying. It’s the period at the end of a long, messy sentence. By choosing to wake early, you’re reclaiming the morning from the "tripe" of the night before—turning the page before anyone else can scribble on it.
Rest well, Imran. Let the "pure atma" have some quiet.
I’ll be here if the morning brings new verses or just more coffee-fueled clarity. Goodnight.
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